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April 12, 2016 4 Comments

Seed, Moss, Double Seed Clarification

Seed, Moss, and Double seed. I know Seed, but for Moss and Double Seed clarification is always necessary to make sure I use the right name.

Seed Clarification: Trio of patternsLate last week this link was shared on Facebook. Of course I immediately had to go see what was in it. There are 291 knitting books from the University of Southhampton Library. They are all British and if you are looking for some patterns for men from last century, a treasure trove. I digress, but I opened one of the books and soon ran across a reference to Moss stitch. Which is our Seed stitch. There was a later explanation of Double Moss, and never anything about Double Seed.

This was definitely two [knitting] cultures divided by a single language; because their Moss is our Seed! No wonder we need Moss and Seed clarification!

Seed Clarification: What is Seed Stitch?

I love this explanation contained in Questions Answered About Knitting, by Ursula Bloom (1946, London). We will need to substitute Seed for Moss for this to make sense in our knitting language:

Moss [seed] stitch is knit one, purl one to the end of the line. When coming back begin with the same stitch as that with which you left off. If you ended purl, you start purl, if you ended plain you start plain. The pattern is a small series of spots. . . .

Jill Wolcott Knits Seed stitch (even number of stitches):Seed Clarification: Seed stitch

Row 1:  *K1, p1; rep from *

Row 2:  *P1, k1; rep from *

Repeat Rows 1 and 2.

Jill Wolcott Knits Seed stitch (odd number of stitches):

Row 1: *K1, p1; rep from * to last stitch, end k1

Repeat Row 1.

So you see, if you follow Ms. Bloom’s rule above, you will be doing our Seed stitch and it doesn’t matter whether you have an even or odd number of stitches. I love this.

Double Seed Clarification: What is Double Seed Stitch?

Again, I think it might be interesting to see what Ms. Bloom has to say in Questions Answered About Knitting:

Double moss [seed] stitch is a tiny check, suitable for babies’ coats in fine wool. Cast on a number of stitches divisible by four.  Remember it is impossible to change this. You must always, when working a pattern, have the right number of stitches as directed or the whole thing will go wrong. . . . The first row is, knit 2, purl 2 to the end, and you end on purl 2. The next row is exactly the same. The third row reverses matters. Start purl 2, knit 2, and continue through. The fourth row is the same. Then you start again at the first one. At the end of four rows you can see the pattern quite clearly and will be able to guard against any errors.

I found the bolded sentence confusing. Look below at the first set of instructions, because I think what she means is that you knit and purl what you see. If you don’t do this you will not get a check. This does begin to show why it seems impossible to keep Seed and Moss clear.

Tanja Osswald saw that I was truly confused by the above. Ms. Bloom is exactly right. I’ve corrected the patterns below. I think because I’ve been working things in the round I misread my own charts!

Seed Clarification: Double Seed stitch

Jill Wolcott Knits Double Seed stitch (multiple of 4 sts):

Row 1:  *K2, p2; rep from *

Row 2: *K2, p2; rep from *

Row 3:  *P2, k2; rep from *

Row 3: *P2, k2; rep from *

Repeat Rows 1 through 4.

In the U.S. we usually like to balance the pattern, so I’ve also given you the pattern as it would be written with the extra stitches.

Jill Wolcott Knits Double Seed stitch (multiple of 4 sts + 2):

Row 1:  *K2, p2; rep from * to last 2 sts, end k2

Row 2:  P2, *k2, p2; rep from *

Row 3:  *P2, k2; rep from * to last 2 sts, end p2

Row 4:  K2, *p2, k2; rep from *

Repeat Rows 1 through 4.

Ultimately, Double Seed is Seed stitch doubled, both horizontally and vertically. Except, it kind of depends on which reference tool you use.

Moss Stitch Clarification: How Does This Fit?

I wasn’t able to find any help in any of the British historical references. They don’t seem to use Seed stitch as a description. I had  assumed they would flip the names, so our Moss would become their Seed. But nope.

Seed Clarification: Moss stitchI looked in the Harmony Guides (now published by Interweave Press). Seed is Moss (as above). Double Moss is, well, not Double Seed above, but Moss as below.

According to Barbara G. Walker, to whom I turn whenever I need clarification, in her A Treasury of Knitting Patterns, Moss is a broken rib. Ms. Walker acknowledges that Double Seed should probably be called Double Moss as it too is a broken rib. The three stitch patterns are presented in this succession, which at least makes sense based on their pattern: Seed > Moss > Double Seed/Moss.

Jill Wolcott Knits Moss stitch (multiple of 2 sts):

Row 1:  *K1, p1; rep from *

Row 2:  *K1, p1; rep from *

Row 3:  *P1, k1; rep from *

Row 3: *P1, k1; rep from *

Repeat Rows 1 through 4.

Jill Wolcott Knits Moss stitch (multiple of 2 sts + 1):

Row 1:  *K1, p1; rep from * to last st, end k1

Row 2:  P1, *k1, p1; rep from *

Row 3:  *P1, k1; rep from * to last st, end p1

Row 4:  K1, *p1, k1; rep from *

Repeat Rows 1 through 4.

So Moss has each stitch repeated for two rows before it is switched.

I think this explains why there is such confusion about these three simple stitch patterns. I think you will have to memorize the difference. There isn’t something you missed!

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  1. Oliver says

    March 22, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    Hello,
    I wish there were a reverse stitch search out there! I can’t figure out if this pattern has a name. It repeats over two rows.
    I use it with an even number of stitches, but for symmetry, odd would probably be better.

    Row 1: K all stitches.
    Row 2: K1, P1, (K1 if needed)

    I just was just curious how it would look and like it so much, I decided to use it instead of Stockinette Stitch for this current project.

    Reply
    • Jill says

      March 22, 2022 at 4:43 pm

      Barbara Walker has it as Broken Rib, but she does it with the Row 1 stitches purled. Try that.

      Reply
  2. Jen Cluff says

    August 18, 2023 at 11:04 pm

    I thought that this was called “Sand Stitch” in Barbara Walker:
    Row 1: K all stitches.
    Row 2: K1, P1,
    Works great on button bands, cuffs, collars.
    Jen

    Reply
    • Jill says

      August 19, 2023 at 10:36 am

      Hi Jen, that stitch is called Sand Stitch, but it is not the stitch I was speaking about. Seed stitch is a different stitch.

      Reply

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