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September 27, 2017 22 Comments

Using the Japanese Knitting Stitch Bible

The stitch patterns in The Japanese Knitting Stitch Bible book are incredible, although mostly not completely unique. If you like charted knitting patterns I think this would be $16.95 you shouldn’t hesitate to spend. If you need written instructions, you are going to be challenged. This isn’t insurmountable. but you will need to fully digest this methodology. Also, the stitch charts are fairly small given the amount of information contained in them, so I recommend enlarging them for actual use. You will be able to make important notations on your copied chart, which will make it much easier to use them.

Japanese Knitting Stitch: unblockedThe project and stitch pattern I chose to knit up ended up being very much like the pattern I used in Remarkables. The difference is in presentation of information. It isn’t easy at the outset to figured out how some of the information is presented in the Japanese Knitting Stitch Bible, and the text at the beginning of the book doesn’t give you clear guidance on how to proceed. I will admit that I perhaps should have tried just working a pattern first, rather than leaping into a project, but that is what most of us will do isn’t it?

If you started with one of the earlier patterns, got a feel for how to use the book, symbology, and charts, you should have few problems.

The Japanese Knitting Stitch Charting

There are a lot of symbols, and all the written instruction exists in the symbol tables. None of it is particularly impenetrable, although the symbology and the written instructions can seem a little overwhelming at the outset. It is important to take the information in hand in a way that works for you. Be sure you are very clear on what each symbol is telling you before embarking. This can be a little tricky, so I made myself a handwritten key.

I think if you are interested in using these charts and you find the Japanese Knitting Stitch method difficult to get a handle on, I would look at taking one of Gayle Roehm’s classes. Once you tease out the essence of the system it is not difficult to follow. None of these patterns are easy. They are all beautiful.

A Japanese Knitting Stitch Project

Japanese Knitting Stitch: working from chartsI chose to start the Elegant Decorative Collar (photo on page 104). I was packing up for a road trip, so snagged yarn and appropriate knitting needles, along with my copied/enlarged charts and instructions. I worked a stockinette swatch to check my needle size. As I looked over the instructions later in the car I realized the bobbles were crochet. Not having a crochet hook of any size with me, I chose to work 5-stitch knitted bobbles.

I cast on the required number of stitches; I used the flexible long-tail cast on because I prefer that method of getting a looser cast on edge over using a larger needle size. I was not disappointed by the results!

I knitted 60 bobbles after working the set-up rows. That bobble row took a long time because I had to work out how the pattern was set up, and I believe cocktails caused me to rip and redo 15 of them. If I have any complaint on this way of presenting patterns, it is that I was not able to easily figure out the set up.  I had to get paper and do some calculations and diagraming. That’s totally okay, but I think that could be intimidating. I pictured much more plan-ful Japanese knitters working all of this out before working on their project!

Once I finally got through the bobbles and the setup, it was relatively clear sailing. I got the remainder of the first segment set up and sorted out. There were symbols that were not clear in their intention at the close of the first segment, but that I eventually figured out. The stitch pattern was done almost identically to how I had set up Remarkables, so it felt familiar and fairly straightforward.

Setting Up My Project

Japanese Knitting Stitch: Nearly completeAfter I created my key I tried writing out one of the rows (look at page 151 if you have the book). It was not intuitive what was going on, so I counted stitches and put in a lot of markers. I had 187 stitches, less the 3 stitches consumed in each of the front edges, leaving 181 stitches. There is a beginning segment of 10 stitches, followed by a stitch that will become the first lace panel. There is a mirrored ending segment of 10 stitches. Between them there were 8 segments of 20 stitches. This was how I figured it out:

187 – (2×3=6) = 181 (total stitches less front edges)
181 – (2×10) = 161 (beginning and ending segments)
161 – 1 = 160 (lace stitch following beginning segment)

There is apparently a 20-stitch repeat. This was not as clear as it could have been, and I poked at this for a while before going with my instincts. I searched the text for some clue I had missed, but I don’t think there is one.

160 / 20 = 8

Japanese Knitting Stitch Thoughts

I completely understand that the Japanese Knitting Stitch method is not a written method, but I felt that just a couple of paragraphs to explain how to sort out the project pattern charts would have been an immense help. Otherwise knitters are going to feel that they can only do simple projects using only a single chart instead of putting the patterns together into more complicated pieces.  There is so much rich material in here that I hope to see designers tackle these patterns in creative works going forward.

Japanese Knitting Stitch: DryingI recommend making some of the single-pattern stitch projects to get a feel for how you need to digest this information into a usable form for your knitting style. Be prepared to put a little effort into sorting out the pieces and make sure you have all the information you need before beginning. I am happy with my substitutions. I did not do a gauge swatch, and used yarn that looked like it would achieve gauge. When I ran into trouble, I cheated. I knew what the outcome was, so I was okay, but it wasn’t confidence inspiring.  At one point I misplaced my key and literally could not move ahead until I could access the book in the trunk.

I added in two segments of pattern taken from the source pattern to make the Collar a little deeper.  As expected, the finished piece is gorgeous. I don’t think anyone will know I cheated. I also forgot the buttonhole, but I don’t think I’ll use it anyway.

This is a perfect piece for transitioning to Fall so I’ll be wearing this!

Elegant Decorative Collar from Japanese Knitting Stitch Bible

Japanese Knitting Stitch: Behind the bobbles Yarn: Aalta Truth for my collar. Truth is a lovely 80% merino, 20% baby alpaca DK weight, 100g / 298 yds [273m]. The color is Tahitian Yellow [3003]. I did a stockinette gauge swatch too. I have 14g remaining.  Retail price approximately $19.

Needles: Addi Turbo circular needles in US size 4[3.5mm]. I used the 40” / 101 cm length, which may have been a bit long. I think a 32” / 81 cm would have been easier.

Stitch markers: I used lots of markers! I used ring markers after I had sorted everything out, and pin markers as I was doing the sorting. I placed a marker after the trim stitches, after the beginning segment plus the lace stitch, then after each 20-stitch repeat, and finally before the front trim.  So 10 markers.

Useful Information:  I used the flexible long-tail cast on and I used a combination of a regular bind off and JSSBO every other stitch to get a firm but flexible neck edge. I have four ends to work in because I used both ends of the ball to do my cast on instead of having a long tail. I also did a lot of backward knitting on the bobbles. I wet blocked the finished piece (and my swatch) in warm water and dried it. The final photos will be after I steam block it.

The final measurement is 14″ / 35.5 cm at the neck; 43″ / 109 cm at the bottom (where the tape is) and 7″ / 17.8 cm plus the bobbles in depth.

I am not certain how long I spent on this.  Probably about 10 or 12 hours.  That was a very inexpensive project:  $19/10 hours is a cost of $1.90 an hour.

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  1. Gayle Roehm says

    October 4, 2017 at 8:24 am

    Hi Jill, Gayle here (the translator). Thanks for your generous review! I did want to mention one thing with respect to the “set-up” problem. Did you happen to notice that, below line 1, the stitches are numbered only from 1 through 20? That’s your clue that it’s a 20-stitch repeat. Then at the top, it’s been reduced to a 10-stitch repeat. That’s true for all the charts in the book, though most of the repeats are stated explicitly. The convention is described on page 6. You might find it helpful if, for instance, you decide to use one of the round yokes. Unfortunately the publisher decided to keep the original format for each page, so there wasn’t a lot of room for more explanation!

    Reply
    • Jill says

      October 4, 2017 at 9:05 am

      Gayle,
      I totally understand the limitations–and yes I did find those tiny numbers helpful. However, it would be unfair not to call out that it wasn’t completely clear to me as a first-time user. Maybe someone else wouldn’t get stuck, but I usually figure if it tripped me up, it might trip up someone else. My goal was to shine light, not to disparage in any way. Every method of presenting materials has quirks to some minds.

      Reply
  2. Tina Hobert says

    December 20, 2017 at 11:47 am

    Thank you! I am trying to figure this book out myself, and feel there is a lot of information left out. Trying to figure out how they’re charted has presented the biggest challenge to me already. I have done as you did, and enlarged the copies and have a copious amount of notes surrounding me at the moment on various notepads, and post it notes. Thank you for breaking down the one as you did. I think I’ll study it a little more, and see if it will help me figure out the math. I came across your blog while doing a search for help with the book itself. I even did a Ravelry search for groups, and came up empty handed. Love the rest of your site, btw!

    Reply
  3. Sandra says

    December 20, 2018 at 8:21 am

    Stumbled across your site and enjoying the information. I have both the Japanese Bible books and am re-charting them into my knitting software for futures use as a major project for myself (yes, recharting all, I HATE that RS/WS notation so am putting in the stitch that is worked not how it looks on the RS!). I have discovered some errors as well in the charts, which is a natural problem for many patterns so not surprised. Am going to contact the publisher about an errata.

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    • Gayle Roehm says

      December 20, 2018 at 9:04 am

      Errata sheet, linked on Ravelry:
      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iCROnUslHQg1-BH1UreAH3xAk6P4fZEE/view

      Reply
  4. Dawn Simon says

    May 18, 2020 at 11:54 pm

    HI from Australia,
    I have this book as well and have what may be a really simple question. If I have three empty boxes, then a box with the symbol for sl!, k2tog psso, then three more empty boxes, which three boxes does the symbol refer to? I have counted, drawn it out, tried knitting a sampler, and do ok for the first two rows then end up with the wrong number of stitches. Also the box with the O (YO), does this mean YO, k1 or just YO? Again the numbers of stitches seem to not be consistent (or I am missing something!!)

    Reply
    • Jill says

      May 19, 2020 at 8:17 am

      Send me an email with the pattern number and I’ll get back to you.

      Reply
    • Gayle Roehm says

      May 19, 2020 at 10:47 am

      Which chart number is giving you problems? Sounds like you have 3 stitches, double decrease, 3 stitches. Blanks are knits or purls (check the key at the bottom) and a circle in a box is one yo.

      Reply
      • Jill says

        June 2, 2020 at 9:12 am

        For others coming along to read this the problem was resolved. It was operator error. Always good to ask when you are having troubles as it often helps us see the problems.

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        • Emily E says

          April 1, 2022 at 10:11 pm

          Will you confirm this clarification on what the “operator error” was?

          I am having the same problem and this reply didn’t explain it for me at all. I ended up trying to do the pattern without including a K with every YO and it lined up.

          I didn’t know that YO didn’t include a full K stitch too — learning how to knit from a book leaves room for interpretation sometimes, without even knowing it. 🙂

          Thank you for this amazing resource!

          Reply
          • Jill says

            April 2, 2022 at 1:44 pm

            Emily, Operator error means a miscount or misunderstanding of a technique. I didn’t help the “operator”, Gayle did, so I can’t tell you what the error was.

            You are so right about having to find our own way; it is why my work is lengthy and a higher price. A lot of knitting is stuff like that–that once you know, you know forever, but until you do . . .

            Feel free to email me if you have further problems.

  5. Carolyn groves says

    January 31, 2021 at 7:08 am

    I had this book for a couple years and absolutely love it. I’ve used the designs in cowls, blankets, socks and mitts. I’m stumped on pattern #40. Ripped it out 4 times so far! It seems that there needs to be a shift of starting point to get the pattern to work. Any thoughts on this one.

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    • Jill says

      January 31, 2021 at 11:23 am

      I took a quick look. Not being exactly sure what your issue is this is what I suggest. Follow the first 12 stitches, then the repeat is the next 12 stitches. That should do the trick. Also, only work through Row 40 and repeat from there. The additional rows at the top would be to get a balanced pattern repeat lengthwise.

      Reply
  6. Gayle Roehm says

    January 31, 2021 at 11:52 am

    You didn’t describe the problem, but let me guess. Wrong stitch count? You have to follow the marked stitch repeat: down at the very bottom, see stitches numbered 1 through 12? THAT is the repeat, not from the right margin. The chart is numbered only as far as stitch 12 — which is your clue to go back to stitch 1, NOT to the very first stitch of the chart. On the rows with a double decrease (the CDD in rows 11, 13, 15, 17 and 19, then rows 31, 33, 35, 37, 39) notice that the edge stitch is a single decrease (SSK), not a double decrease, so you don’t have an uncompensated decrease. You’ll have to do the same thing at the other edge.

    Rows, too, are only numbered as far as the repeat (row 40). This is the single most common misunderstanding, to repeat from the beginning of the chart rather than from stitch 1 or row 1. Please take a look at the top paras in the intro on page 6. I suggest drawing a red outline around the repeat to be sure you don’t miss it. HTH.

    If that’s not the problem please clarify.

    Reply
  7. Nancy Rotenier says

    February 1, 2021 at 6:05 pm

    Hi! I love this book and pour over the stitches like they’re works of art. And—I was inspired to finally tackle charts—and I have been loving them…until this weekend. I’m trying to swatch stitch pattern #27, and on row 7, there is are 2 different knot stitches, but the ssk and k2tog with them are in the opposite position relative to the illustration on p. 159. In the chart, the k2tog is on stitch 3 and the ssk is on stitch 1. I’m not sure if I’m misunderstanding something or it’s an errata. Any clarification would be wonderful. Thank you so much!

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    • Jill says

      February 1, 2021 at 6:09 pm

      I’m hoping Gayle Roehm can help you out as I’m busy on a project.

      Reply
    • Gayle Roehm says

      February 3, 2021 at 9:03 am

      I see what you mean. All you have to do for the “knot” stitch variation is to work k2tog where the ssk would be, and ssk where the k2tog is indicated. Basically, it’s a knot stitch with one decrease or the other at one end or the other. HTH. (P.S. the “Japanese Knitting and Crochet” group on Ravelry is a great place to get your questions answered.)

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      • Nancy Rotenier says

        February 3, 2021 at 5:06 pm

        Thank you so much, Gayle. I’m going to try that right now. And thank you for letting me know about the Ravelry group. My goal is to get good enough with these charts and techniques to take your two-part course at VK Live. I took your Japanese knitting techniques (bobbles, etc.) in December and was inspired to dive into the stitches book.

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  8. Kate says

    May 11, 2021 at 8:49 pm

    Hi, I have just recently bought this book and have started on the first pattern just to get a feel for reading the charts. All was going well except when I got to the end of the third row I had run out of stitches with many still left on the pattern! Am I missing be something? It seems to me that there are so many decreases that the pattern cannot actually be accomplished in the 30 stitch repeat

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    • Jill says

      May 11, 2021 at 9:48 pm

      Kate, check through the comments to see what Gayle Roehm has posted. I’m not at home so can’t help until I return. It usually ends up being a misread of what the actual repeat is. Hope that is some help. Jill

      Reply
  9. Gayle Roehm says

    May 15, 2021 at 12:37 pm

    Jill’s right that most problems come from misunderstanding the pattern repeat. Check page 6 in the introduction. If you’re referring to pattern #1 on page 19, the chart is indeed the full repeat, but has some advanced stitches. You might want to tackle easier ones until you’re comfortable with the format. I usually recommend #26 as a good start.

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  10. Carol Tsang says

    September 2, 2021 at 6:50 pm

    I tried to follow the link to the errata, but it didn’t work. Is there still an errata sheet available?

    Reply

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